Here are my ideas on making EV's mainstream:-
1. A common standard across all companies and all countries, something like USB-C port for cars.
2. A common 'measure' of charging infrastructure that's propagated and understood widely. Like Grade A charger, Grade B charger, Grade C, etc. so that each person can find them online, and has an idea what to expect at the physical location.
3. Businesses focused on and around the charger. A coffee, while the 10 minute charge happens sound cool.
4. DC charging directly instead of AC-DC all the time.
5. More such vehicles doing 10 minute charges. Even 20 minute is ok for 80%.
6. Approaches for a battery-less vehicle, like sailing beside the railing, like overhead pantographs for trucks on highways, and so.
7. Options to make infotainment and other systems more privacy conscious even from the "manufacturer is also external" PoV.
Swap can work only if the battery has its own statistics and logs, regarding its charge cycles, age, etc. and manufacturers don't force model retirement. It is anyways not a good option in my opinion, unless the swap happens at home and you own both the batteries.
Plus, half the EV world will be swap, other half won't be. Standardisation gone for a toss. Not a worthy hassle in my opinion, unless its only in Commercial vehicles.
Bon Bon, 02 Feb 2025I am fairly sure CATL, NIO and Vinfast will not cooperate on this for various reasons. But mak... moreIt used to be the same story with battery charging standards. Just as Ev makers have standardised charging. Battery swap will be too. In fact it already is, thanks to Evogo and Nio. Both offer their battery swap standard to other EV makers. Its not always subscription based, users can pay for every swap, just like fast chargers.
Anonymous, 02 Feb 2025 No, just for the battery.Exactly! Possibility to lease the part that costs the most and deteriorates the fastest, instead of buying it out seems like a good deal. That is in addition to convenience of "charging" by swapping. There is a risk that vendors will try to "force retire" your vehicle model by making compatible packs unavailable, but this is for consumer protection advocates to solve - its not like they cant brick any car with OTA updates if consumer protections are diluted enough.
Anonymous, 02 Feb 2025I am talking about battery swapping stations here. It has a limited space yet It has to stor... moreI am fairly sure CATL, NIO and Vinfast will not cooperate on this for various reasons. But making a 3rd party swapping station that supports one or more standards doesnt seem far fetched. The station will have to carry various voltages, sizes and chemistries even for one brand. In the end, perhaps the pack can be made "modular" - standard size bricks that connect like a lego to required size? But this is not coming anytime soon. Its also possible that by the time this kind of unification is achieved, infrastructure and chemistries are so fast that swapping batteries are impractical.
Bon Bon, 02 Feb 2025We have buttload of battery standards for power tools and we are managing. Forcing a single st... moreI am talking about battery swapping stations here.
It has a limited space yet It has to store enough batteries. If each car maker will use different dimensions, battery type etc. then you can forget about these stations being universal, which will mean basically each manufacturer making their own swapping stations.
This will drive cost of battery swap up and availability will be lower.
Just think about It.
For example, you have 5 manufacturers using these swapping stations and they have 5 stations in a 50,000 city.
Or you have still these 5 manufacturers, but they are using the same standard so you can chose from 25 stations in a 50,000 city.
And by having only one type of station(standard) should also lower cost for these battery leases, because those batteries are cheaper, because more of the same type is made.
Anonymous, 01 Feb 2025Yay, a subscription requirement for a car, just what I asked for. No, just for the battery.
Luka3rd, 02 Feb 2025Westerners are corrupted. Everyone is.
Let's not play how one is good and the other is not.
It's always about power, money and influence.
Doesn't matter who It is.
Hopefully people will remember that using fast charging all the time will deteriorate the battery in few years (for instance in taxis or other use cases with lots of driving and charging). So of course we need fast charging during longer trips and so. And still if you can charge slowly at home most of the time that is the best way preserve the capacity.
Nickless, 01 Feb 2025To be honest I think you are missing the point. - Do you think faster chargers wi... moreOh, you live in a rich developed country, so you have access to faster chargers. Good for you! For us, luddites, living in the periphery priorities are different for adopting EVs and charging above 130 kW is not one of them. It's nice to have, sure, but the car being reliable, convenient and affordable are more important. I get it, from technological perspective, brands like Xpeng and Geely offer more - almost bought G6 when it arrived, 800V LFP at this price?! Yes, please! - but it is not convenient to drive - handles like a brick, squicks and crackles, and dont even get me started on screen controls... It also remains to be seen how reliable they are and if parts availability exists long term.
Anonymous, 01 Feb 2025Unless they make a single standard with the only difference in dimensions because of capacity,... moreWe have buttload of battery standards for power tools and we are managing. Forcing a single standard doesn't seem to be feasible at this time - if this happens it will be from CATL and just cement its dominance in the field.
Bon Bon, 31 Jan 2025Also true. Replaceable and leaseable battery is the way to go. The issue is developing standar... moreYay, a subscription requirement for a car, just what I asked for.
Bon Bon, 31 Jan 2025You are missing the point though. Pouring resources into developing insanely fast batteries th... moreTo be honest I think you are missing the point.
- Do you think faster chargers will be build if there are no cars supporting it? This will always be a
"chicken and egg" discussion, but it starts with the cars.
- Here in the Netherlands there are already 350KW chargers, same goes for Belgium, Germany, and
the Nordics. In China, where Geely is located, they even have faster chargers already.
- Development is a continued process, standing still is going backwards. As consumers we should
be happy about this kind of development in my opinion!
western companies do that because western governments have them walking on eggshells,
it's ironic given how the common perception is that its the other way around, "scary CCP will crush you!" well turns out in practice CCP wants you to beat "them" more than anything else whereas westerners just want to pretend they're the best,
why cant apple/samsung charge over at over 100w? it's probably illegal or they feel its pointless to compete with brands that wont reach them, their dodo moment is coming though
Bon Bon, 31 Jan 2025Also true. Replaceable and leaseable battery is the way to go. The issue is developing standar... moreUnless they make a single standard with the only difference in dimensions because of capacity, which will be universally used in cars then these swappable stations are worthless.
muik, 31 Jan 2025Nio and Evogo humiliate all EVs by giving 0-100% in 2 minutes, with a battery swap. Swap stati... moreAlso true. Replaceable and leaseable battery is the way to go. The issue is developing standards for it. Now that CATL have joined that race, we may see more developments. Vinfast shouldn't be dismissed either.
klos, 31 Jan 2025Zeekr 7x is 43k , not that expensive. Model Y is 60k in Europe, which is what it competes with. You are missing the point though. Pouring resources into developing insanely fast batteries that you have no chargers for, nor will have in foreseeable future, is a waste, all the while saving pennies on actual physical buttons for the fking vipers and defogger...
Bon bon, 31 Jan 2025Thing is, chargers above 60 kW CCS are nowhere to be found where I live, and major highway res... moreZeekr 7x is 43k , not that expensive. Model Y is 60k in Europe, which is what it competes with.
Nio and Evogo humiliate all EVs by giving 0-100% in 2 minutes, with a battery swap. Swap stations are inexpensive and just need 1C charging infra structure.
Thing is, chargers above 60 kW CCS are nowhere to be found where I live, and major highway resting areas only offer 130 kW. So how would I benefit from those lightning charging speeds, unless I live around one of those rare chargers?! For home charging it also doesn't matter, and that remains the most economic option anyway... All I want are small, practical, cheap EVs with goddamn buttons instead of screens!
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